Thursday, May 21, 2009

Yesterday posting of mine................

I will be out today so it is a good chance to recheck and rethink my strategy. although I don't see to many possibilities for changing. %age wise the loss is not much in regard to the turnover.one proposed in another posting to trade the exit strategy only. on paper this strat is really good. but it is paper, and I know that paper and real is always a big difference.thanks for the postings and well meant tips.

good luck all

Tuesday, May 19, 2009

Tomorrow I am out the whole day......................

one day break and a good chance to re-check and re-think the strategy.

Today result...................................

Tennis: -USD1,510.53 Total P&L: -USD1,510.53

Tennis Showing 1 - 15 of 15 markets of 563 markets

Market Start time Settled date Profit/loss ($)

Tennis / Johansson v Cohen Aloro : Match Odds 19-May-09 15:45 19-May-09 21:07 18.25

Tennis / Soderling v Querrey : Match Odds 19-May-09 18:00 19-May-09 19:28 230.88

Tennis / Kudryavtseva v Dechy : Match Odds 19-May-09 14:30 19-May-09 18:55 -73.43

Tennis / U Radwanska v Koryttseva : Match Odds 19-May-09 14:30 19-May-09 18:36 -13.69

Tennis / Chela v Gicquel : Match Odds 19-May-09 14:15 19-May-09 17:20 -131.05

Tennis / Santoro v Hernandez : Match Odds 19-May-09 15:30 19-May-09 17:12 311.69

Tennis / Hantuchova v Llagostera Vives : Match Odds 19-May-09 13:15 19-May-09 16:14 150.06

Tennis / Koubek v Petzschner : Match Odds 19-May-09 14:15 19-May-09 15:55 75.60

Tennis / Capdeville v Junqueira : Match Odds 19-May-09 14:15 19-May-09 15:46 -810.60

Tennis / Simon v Schuettler : Match Odds 19-May-09 14:00 19-May-09 15:42 -600.00

Tennis / Benneteau v Sela : Match Odds 19-May-09 13:00 19-May-09 14:33 303.54

Tennis / Medina Garrigues v Wickmayer : Match Odds 19-May-09 12:00 19-May-09 14:29 20.43

Tennis / Lepchenko v Parmentier : Match Odds 19-May-09 12:00 19-May-09 14:22 -600.00

Tennis / Ani v Yakimova : Match Odds 19-May-09 12:00 19-May-09 14:18 207.79

Tennis / Dokic v Olaru : Match Odds 19-May-09 12:00 19-May-09 13:49 -600.00



Tennis: -USD7,684.31 Total P&L: -USD7,684.31

All results of today............................

Yakimova = winner

Lepchenko = loser :(

M.Garrigues = scratch trade 2nd set

Dokic = loser :(

Benneteau = winner

Simon = loser :(

Hantuchova = winner

Koubek = scratch trade 1st set TB

Capdeville = loser :(

Chela = scratch trade 1st set 5-6

Hernandez = winner

Dechy = scratch trade 2nd set

Koryttseva = scratch trade 2nd set

Johansson = scratch trade 1st set 5-4

Soderling = winner

Johansson only partly fill............................

Johansson only partly fill at 1.73 for 258.96

Johansson ..................................

I backed

Johansson 1.73

Soderling ..........................................

I backed

Soderling 1.40

Koryttseva ........................................

I backed

Koryttseva 1.80

Dechy.....................................

I backed

Dechy 1.63

Hernandez...........................................

I backed

Hernandez 1.54

Capdeville....................................

I backed

Capdeville 1.71

Chela .................................................

I backed

Chela 1.65

Koubek.........................................

I backed

Koubek 1.73

Hantuchova..............................

I backed

Hantuchova 1.26

Simon.......................

I backed

Simon 1.26

no fill for Ancic.....................................

no fill for Ancic

Benneteau , Ancic.......................................

I backed

Benneteau 1.53

Ancic 1.35

Dokic ...........................................

I backed

Dokic 1.45

Yakimova, Lepchenko, M.Garrigues............................

I backed

Yakimova 1.36

Lepchenko 1.67

M.Garrigues 1.53

Monday, May 18, 2009

Today result.......................

Tennis: -USD1,243.78 Total P&L: -USD1,243.78

Tennis Showing 1 - 9 of 9 markets of 548 markets Market Start time Settled date Profit/loss ($)

Tennis / Lu v Calleri : Match Odds 18-May-09 15:30 18-May-09 21:00 15.17

Tennis / Bellucci v Koellerer : Match Odds 18-May-09 17:30 18-May-09 19:33 -833.98

Tennis / Wozniak v Goerges : Match Odds 18-May-09 15:45 18-May-09 19:23 -600.00

Tennis / Rezai v Bammer : Match Odds 18-May-09 14:30 18-May-09 19:06 329.00

Tennis / Garbin v Sharapova : Match Odds 18-May-09 15:15 18-May-09 19:05 34.86

Tennis / Hernych v A Beck : Match Odds 18-May-09 14:15 18-May-09 17:20 1.72

Tennis / Peng v Glatch : Match Odds 18-May-09 13:00 18-May-09 15:36 -21.75

Tennis / Granollers v Gabashvili : Match Odds 18-May-09 13:00 18-May-09 15:35 0.00

Tennis / Keothavong v Mattek Sands : Match Odds 18-May-09 13:15 18-May-09 15:24 -168.80


Tennis: -USD6,173.78 Total P&L: -USD6,173.78

All results of today.................

Peng = scratch trade 2nd set

Granolers = scratch trade 1st set TB

Mattek Sands = scratch trade 2nd set TB

Beck = scratch trade 2nd set

Sharapova = scratch trade 3rd set

Wozniak = loser :(

Rezai = winner

Bellucci = loser :(

Calleri = scratch trade 2nd set

Caleri ..............................................

I backed

Caleri 1.52

Wozniak ....................................

I backed

Wozniak 1.35

Bellucci................

I backed

Bellucci 1.90

Rezai..............................................

I backed

Rezai 1.57

Sharapova...........................

I backed

Sharapova 1.41

Beck...................................

I backed

Beck 1.40

Granollers, Peng , Mattek Sands......................

I backed

Granollers 1.73

Peng 1.33

Mattek Sands 1.61

Sunday, May 17, 2009

Today result..............................

Tennis: -USD506.78 Total P&L: -USD506.78

Tennis Showing 1 - 6 of 6 markets of 539 markets

Market Start time Settled date Profit/loss ($)

Tennis / Simon v Soderling : Match Odds 17-May-09 17:00 17-May-09 20:11 38.75

Tennis / Nadal v Federer : Match Odds 17-May-09 17:00 17-May-09 18:46 -600.00

Tennis / Safina v Wozniacki : Match Odds 17-May-09 14:30 17-May-09 16:30 242.72

Tennis / Schuettler v Querrey : Match Odds 17-May-09 13:00 17-May-09 15:37 -21.15

Tennis / Korolev v Seppi : Match Odds 17-May-09 13:00 17-May-09 15:21 -600.00

Tennis / Phau v Garcia Lopez : Match Odds 17-May-09 13:00 17-May-09 15:07 432.90

Profit and Loss is shown net of commission.

Tennis: -USD4,930.00 Total P&L: -USD4,930.00

All results of today.....................

GG Lopez = winner

Querry = scratch trade 2nd set

Seppi = loser :(

Safina = winner

Nadal = loser :(

Simon = scratch trade 2nd set

Simon .........................................

I backed

Simon 1.88

Nadal ...........................................

I backed

Nadal 1.38

Safina.....................................

I backed

Safina 1.42

GG Lopez, Querry, Seppi ........................................

I backed

GG Lopez 1.75

Querry 1.47

Seppi 1.52

Saturday, May 16, 2009

Today result.................................

Tennis: USD392.82 Total P&L: USD392.82

Tennis Showing 1 - 3 of 3 markets of 533 markets Market Start time Settled date Profit/loss ($)

Tennis / Del Potro v Federer : Match Odds 16-May-09 21:00 16-May-09 23:30 253.97

Tennis / Safina v Schnyder : Match Odds 16-May-09 14:00 16-May-09 15:46 138.53

Tennis / Mauresmo v Wozniacki : Match Odds 16-May-09 12:00 16-May-09 14:10 0.32



Tennis: -USD4,423.22 Total P&L: -USD4,423.22

All rsults of today..........................................

Wozniacki = scratch trade 1st set TB

Safina = winner

Federer = winner

Federer........................................

I backed

Federer 1.44

Safina................................

I backed

Safina 1.24

Wozniacki .........................................

I backed


Wozniacki 1.61

Yesterday result..............................

Tennis: -USD1,105.22 Total P&L: -USD1,105.22

Tennis Showing 1 - 4 of 4 markets of 530 markets Market Start time Settled date Profit/loss ($)

Tennis / Del Potro v Murray : Match Odds 15-May-09 22:15 16-May-09 01:37 -600.00

Tennis / Jankovic v Schnyder : Match Odds 15-May-09 19:30 15-May-09 21:28 -600.00

Tennis / Safina v A Bondarenko : Match Odds 15-May-09 17:00 15-May-09 19:18 132.76

Tennis / Szavay v Mauresmo : Match Odds 15-May-09 14:00 15-May-09 16:18 -37.98



Tennis: -USD4,816.04 Total P&L: -USD4,816.04

All resultas of today............................

Mauresmo = scratch trade 2nd set

Safina = winner

Jankovic = loser :(

Murray = loser :(

Thursday, May 14, 2009

Today result..............................

Tennis: USD216.88 Total P&L: USD216.88

Tennis Showing 1 - 7 of 7 markets of 526 markets

Market Start time Settled date Profit/loss ($)

Tennis / Monaco v Verdasco : Match Odds 14-May-09 21:00 14-May-09 23:05 329.00

Tennis / Ljubicic v Simon : Match Odds 14-May-09 19:00 14-May-09 21:31 -600.00

Tennis / Kleybanova v Wozniacki : Match Odds 14-May-09 18:30 14-May-09 20:23 224.16

Tennis / Del Potro v Wawrinka : Match Odds 14-May-09 13:00 14-May-09 16:08 8.17

Tennis / Jankovic v Vesnina : Match Odds 14-May-09 14:00 14-May-09 15:32 138.53

Tennis / Robredo v Murray : Match Odds 14-May-09 13:00 14-May-09 14:59 196.25

Tennis / Chakvetadze v A Bondarenko : Match Odds 14-May-09 11:00 14-May-09 12:50 -79.23


Tennis: -USD3,710.82 Total P&L: -USD3,710.82

All results of today...............

A.Bondarenko = scratch trade 2nd set

Del Potro = scratch trade 2nd set

Murray = winner

Jankovic = winner

Wozniacki = winner

Simon = loser :(

Verdasco = winner

Simon ........................................

I backed

Simon 1.81

Verdasco, Wozniacki ..................................

I backed

Verdasco 1.57

Wozniacki 1.43

Jankovic................................................

I backed

Jankovic 1.24

Del Potro , Murray..............................

I backed

Del Potro 1.54

Murray 1.34

A.Bondarenko............................

I backed

A.Bondarenko 1.89

Wednesday, May 13, 2009

Today result......................

Tennis: USD194.58 Total P&L: USD194.58

Tennis Showing 1 - 10 of 10 markets of 519 markets

Market Start time Settled date Profit/loss ($)

Tennis / Safina v Li : Match Odds 13-May-09 21:00 13-May-09 23:04 173.16

Tennis / Mauresmo v Dementieva : Match Odds 13-May-09 18:30 13-May-09 20:48 -43.06

Tennis / Ferrer v Monaco : Match Odds 13-May-09 16:45 13-May-09 20:16 -57.36

Tennis / Schnyder v Petrova : Match Odds 13-May-09 15:15 13-May-09 18:37 -140.16

Tennis / Blake v Karlovic : Match Odds 13-May-09 15:30 13-May-09 18:25 -3.57

Tennis / Kohlschreiber v Cilic : Match Odds 13-May-09 14:15 13-May-09 18:21 -78.89

Tennis / Fognini v Simon : Match Odds 13-May-09 14:15 13-May-09 15:57 196.25

Tennis / Seppi v Querrey : Match Odds 13-May-09 13:00 13-May-09 15:15 -26.53

Tennis / Dushevina v Schiavone : Match Odds 13-May-09 12:00 13-May-09 14:29 -150.00

Tennis / Del Potro v Berdych : Match Odds 13-May-09 13:00 13-May-09 14:23 324.74



Tennis: -USD3,927.70 Total P&L: -USD3,927.70

All results of today......................

Schiavone = scratch trade 2nd set

Del Potro = winner 6-2 4-1 and Berdych retired

Seppi = scratch trade 2nd set

Simon = winner

Cilic = scratch trade 2nd set

Petrova = scratch trade 2nd set

Blake = scratch trade 1st set TB

Dementieva = 2nd set

Ferrer = scratch trade 2nd set

Safina = winner

Safina................

I backed

Safina 1.30

Ferrer.....................

I backed

Ferrer 1.61

Dementieva.....................

I backed

Dementieva 1.42

Blake ........................

I backed

Blake 1.67

Petrova..............

I backed

Petrova 1.76

Cilic.................

I backed

Cilic 1.72

Simon.....................

I backed

Simon 1.34

Del Potro, Seppi .......................................

I backed

Del Potro 1.56

Seppi 1.73

Schiavone.............................

I backed


Schiavone 1.53

Very interesting idea from Lily from the BF forum.............

Lily of the Valley

12 May 13:03

A useful thread for promoting the obvious benefit of paper trading new stategies. Credit to you for keeping the running total going, unlike Rome's thread where the reader has to do their own analysis to discover his losses.

I've only skimmed through the thread but it appears you believe your edge lies within your exit strategy - have you done any analysis to see what your overall position would be had you not placed any pre-match bets and only placed your exit bets?

Tuesday, May 12, 2009

Today result..........................

Tennis: USD1,844.09 Total P&L: USD1,844.09

Tennis Showing 1 - 14 of 14 markets of 509 markets

Market Start time Settled date Profit/loss ($)

Tennis / Keothavong v Safarova : Match Odds 12-May-09 18:00 12-May-09 22:46 173.16

Tennis / Zheng v Mauresmo : Match Odds 12-May-09 17:45 12-May-09 21:10 -258.13

Tennis / Tsonga v Ljubicic : Match Odds 12-May-09 15:30 12-May-09 20:11 22.52

Tennis / Jankovic v Hantuchova : Match Odds 12-May-09 17:00 12-May-09 19:49 150.07

Tennis / Karlovic v Benneteau : Match Odds 12-May-09 15:30 12-May-09 19:43 26.09

Tennis / Blake v Hansecu : Match Odds 12-May-09 16:30 12-May-09 19:17 380.95

Tennis / Ferrero v Verdasco : Match Odds 12-May-09 14:15 12-May-09 17:38 173.16

Tennis / Garcia Lopez v Berdych : Match Odds 12-May-09 14:15 12-May-09 17:10 196.25

Tennis / Chardy v Acasuso : Match Odds 12-May-09 14:15 12-May-09 16:49 398.27

Tennis / Robredo v Fish : Match Odds 12-May-09 13:00 12-May-09 15:26 -31.80

Tennis / Mathieu v Fognini : Match Odds 12-May-09 13:00 12-May-09 15:14 2.44

Tennis / Seppi v Schwank : Match Odds 12-May-09 13:00 12-May-09 15:00 340.55

Tennis / Rezai v Szavay : Match Odds 12-May-09 12:00 12-May-09 14:27 16.59

Tennis / Kvitova v Schiavone : Match Odds 12-May-09 11:00 12-May-09 12:27 253.97



Tennis: -USD4,122.28 Total P&L: -USD4,122.28

All results of today..........................

Schiavone = winner

Szavay = scratch trade 2nd set

Robredo = scratch trade 2nd set

Mathieu = scratch trade 1st set TB he retired in 3rd

Seppi = winner

Berdych = winner

Verdasco = winner

Chardy = winner

Karlovic = scratch trade 1st set 3-3 I didn't like the prematch drift

Blake = winner

Jankovic = winner

Tsonga = scratch trade 2nd set

Zheng = scratch trade with little red 2nd set

Safarova = winner

Safarova..................

I backed

Safarova 1.30

Zheng.....................................

I backed

Zheng 1.80

Tsonga................................

I backed

Tsonga 1.63

Jankovic...............................................

I backed

Jankovic 1.26

Blake......................

I backed

Blake 1.66

Karlovic........................

I backed

Karlovic 1.67

Chardy , Verdasco , Berdych...............................

sorry for late posting

I backed

Chardy 1.69

Verdasco 1.30

Berdych 1.34

Robredo, Mathieu, Seppi........................

I backed

Robredo 1.43

Mathieu 1.58

Seppi 1.59

Szavay ...................

I backed


Szavay 1.83

Schiavone .....................................

I backed

Schiavone 1.44

Monday, May 11, 2009

Today result......................................

Tennis: -USD242.60 Total P&L: -USD242.60

Tennis Showing 1 - 14 of 14 markets of 495 markets

Market Start time Settled date Profit/loss ($)

Tennis / Stosur v Chakvetadze : Match Odds 11-May-09 19:00 11-May-09 23:34 -41.26

Tennis / F Lopez v Monaco : Match Odds 11-May-09 21:00 11-May-09 23:21 317.46

Tennis / Kohlschreiber v Almagro : Match Odds 11-May-09 17:45 11-May-09 21:03 -804.00

Tennis / Schiavone v S Williams : Match Odds 11-May-09 15:30 11-May-09 18:34 -600.00

Tennis / Groenefeld v Petrova : Match Odds 11-May-09 13:30 11-May-09 17:16 -60.42

Tennis / Tsonga v Safin : Match Odds 11-May-09 14:15 11-May-09 16:39 369.42

Tennis / Hantuchova v Dulko : Match Odds 11-May-09 12:15 11-May-09 16:33 -3.30

Tennis / Razzano v Vesnina : Match Odds 11-May-09 13:15 11-May-09 15:44 386.72

Tennis / Mauresmo v Sugiyama : Match Odds 11-May-09 14:00 11-May-09 15:25 144.30

Tennis / Lepchenko v Rybarikova : Match Odds 11-May-09 11:00 11-May-09 14:37 0.11

Tennis / Ljubicic v Gabashvili : Match Odds 11-May-09 12:15 11-May-09 14:20 311.68

Tennis / Pavlyuchenkova v Peng : Match Odds 11-May-09 12:00 11-May-09 13:52 -600.00

Tennis / Vinci v Martinez Sanchez : Match Odds 11-May-09 11:00 11-May-09 13:03 30.78

Tennis / Hernandez v Vassallo Arguello : Match Odds 11-May-09 11:00 11-May-09 12:45 305.91


Tennis: -USD5,966.37 Total P&L: -USD5,966.37

list of the retirements against me...........................

Errani
Youzhny
Llodra
Czink
Lisicki
Kanepi
Stepanek
S.Williams

----------------

5200- :(

All results of today......................2 retirements......

M.Sanchez = scratch trade 3rd set

Rybarikova = scratch trade 1st set TB

Hernandez = winner

Pavlyuchenkova = loser :(

Ljubicic = winner

Soderling = canceled because he played vs Navarro instead Andreev

Mauresmo = winner

Vesnina = winner

Petrova = scratch trade 2nd set

Dulko = scratch trade 1st set TB

Tsonga = winner

S.Williams = loser 4-6 retired :(

Wozniacki = no bet because Peer retired in 1st set :(

Almagro = loser :(

Monaco = winner

Chakvedatze = scratch trade 2nd set

Chakvedatze...............................

I backed

Monaco 1.55

Chakvedatze 1.76

Almagro.....................

I backed

Almagro 1.64

Wozniacki..............................

I backed

Wozniacki 1.19

S.Williams ..........................................

I backed

S.Williams 1.35

Tsonga.......................................

I backed


Tsonga 1.64

Dulko ....................................

I backed


Dulko 1.67

Petrova........................................

I backed

Petrova 1.75

Vesnina ...............................

I backed

Vesnina 1.67

Mauresmo........................

I backed


Mauresmo 1.25

Soderling.....................................

I backed

Soderling 1.71

Ljubicic ................................

I backed

Ljubicic 1.54

Pavlyuchenkova.............................

I backed

Pavlyuchenkova 1.54

M.Sanchez, Rybarikova, Hernandez ......................

I backed

M.Sanchez 1.58

Rybarikova 1.68

Hernandez 1.53

Sunday, May 10, 2009

Today result.............................

Tennis: -USD1,758.71 Total P&L: -USD1,758.71

Tennis Showing 1 - 16 of 16 markets of 481 markets

Market Start time Settled date Profit/loss ($)

Tennis / Groenefeld v Niculescu : Match Odds 10-May-09 15:15 10-May-09 23:00 188.59

Tennis / Kunitsyn v Ferrero : Match Odds 10-May-09 16:45 10-May-09 22:47 -106.01

Tennis / Medina Garrigues v Dushevina : Match Odds 10-May-09 16:30 10-May-09 22:20 -600.00

Tennis / Querrey v Stepanek : Match Odds 10-May-09 16:30 10-May-09 21:18 -600.01

Tennis / Szavay v Pennetta : Match Odds 10-May-09 15:15 10-May-09 20:16 -600.00

Tennis / Montanes v Blake : Match Odds 10-May-09 17:00 10-May-09 19:21 -600.00

Tennis / Youzhny v Berdych : Match Odds 10-May-09 16:00 10-May-09 19:01 -36.67

Tennis / Robredo v Kiefer : Match Odds 10-May-09 14:15 10-May-09 18:50 -23.07

Tennis / Schnyder v Errani : Match Odds 10-May-09 14:00 10-May-09 17:24 403.62

Tennis / Vesnina v Cornet : Match Odds 10-May-09 14:00 10-May-09 17:08 397.85

Tennis / Suarez Navarro v Li : Match Odds 10-May-09 13:00 10-May-09 15:36 20.86

Tennis / Rezai v Pironkova : Match Odds 10-May-09 14:00 10-May-09 15:36 409.39

Tennis / Garcia Lopez v Chela : Match Odds 10-May-09 12:45 10-May-09 15:06 361.29

Tennis / A Radwanska v Stosur : Match Odds 10-May-09 12:45 10-May-09 14:36 -600.00

Tennis / Safarova v Kanepi : Match Odds 10-May-09 11:30 10-May-09 13:07 -600.00

Tennis / Haas v Andujar : Match Odds 10-May-09 11:30 10-May-09 13:04 225.45


Tennis: -USD5,723.77 Total P&L: -USD5,723.77

All results of today............2 retirements................

Haas = winner

Bammer = scratch retired in 1st set

Kanepi = loser retired 2-7 3-2 :(

A.Radwanska = loser :(

Na Li = scratch trade 2nd set

Chela = winner

Rezai = winner

Vesnina = winner

Schnyder = winner

Berdych = scratch trade 2nd set

Groenefeld = winner

Robredo = scratch trade 2nd set

Pennetta = loser :(

Blake = loser :(

Stepanek = loser by retirement :(

Ferrero = scratch trade 3rd set

M.Garrigues = loser :(

M.Garrigues.........................................

I backed

M.Garrigues 1.31

Ferrero..............................................

I backed

Ferrero 1.36

Stepanek ......................

I backed

Stepanek 1.38

Blake......................

I backed

Blake 1.73

Pennetta .....................................

I backed


Pennetta 1.33

Robredo............................

I backed

Robredo 1.25

Berdych..............................

I backed

Berdych 1.69

Groenefeld ..........................

I backed

Groenefeld 1.34

Schnyder ...........................................

I backed

Schnyder 1.70

Vesnina.........................

I backed

Vesnina 1.69

Rezai ................................................

I backed

Rezai 1.71

Chela .............................................

I backed

Chela 1.63

A.Radwanska, Na Li ...........................

I backed

A.Radwanska 1.26

Na Li 1.84

Haas, Bammer, Kanepi ...............................

I backed

Haas 1.39

Bammer 1.53

Kanepi 1.50

Saturday, May 9, 2009

Today result......................................

Tennis: -USD1,963.56 Total P&L: -USD1,963.56

Tennis Showing 1 - 10 of 10 markets of 465 markets Market Start time Settled date Profit/loss ($)

Tennis / Montanes v Capdeville : Match Odds 09-May-09 16:55 09-May-09 22:21 276.94

Tennis / Zheng v Kirilenko : Match Odds 09-May-09 16:30 09-May-09 22:04 271.00

Tennis / Benesova v Petrova : Match Odds 09-May-09 16:30 09-May-09 20:55 260.23

Tennis / Bartoli v Wozniak : Match Odds 09-May-09 15:15 09-May-09 19:39 -600.00

Tennis / Safina v Kuznetsova : Match Odds 09-May-09 17:00 09-May-09 18:41 -846.01

Tennis / Berdych v Chardy : Match Odds 09-May-09 15:15 09-May-09 18:21 -23.87

Tennis / Soler Espinosa v Kleybanova : Match Odds 09-May-09 14:00 09-May-09 17:19 144.16

Tennis / Kubot v Karlovic : Match Odds 09-May-09 15:00 09-May-09 16:56 -600.00

Tennis / Wickmayer v Makarova : Match Odds 09-May-09 14:45 09-May-09 16:19 -846.00

Tennis / Brands v Youzhny : Match Odds 09-May-09 14:00 09-May-09 16:09 -0.01



Tennis: -USD3,965.06 Total P&L: -USD3,965.06

All results of the day.................retirement.........

Youzhny = scratch trade 3rd set

Makarova = loser :(

Karlovic = loser :(

Kleybanova = winner

Berdych = scratch trade 3rd set

Kutznetsova = loser :(

Montanes = winner

Bartoli = loser :(

Petrova = winner by retirement 6-0 2-1

Zheng = winner

Zheng , Petrova...............................

I backed

Zheng 1.47

Petrova 1.45

Bartoli......................................

I backed

Bartoli 1.45

Kutznetsova...........................

I backed

Kutznetsova 1.67

Montanes .....................

I backed

Montanes 1.48

Berdych ..........................................

I backed

Berdych 1.69

Kleybanova ................................................

I backed

Kleybanova 1.25

Karlovic ..............................

I backed

Karlovic 1.34

Youzhny, Makarova........................

I backed

Youzhny 1.30

Makarova 1.53

Another posting from ebasson61..................

ebasson61
09 May 12:55



Morning horselover

I hope you don't think I was being too critical, as I think you deserve a lot of credit for the discipline and patience you have shown throughout this thread.I agree that all strategies will have ups and downs and that we shouldn't be diverted from a full and thorough test of a system simply if we have a couple of downturns.

You mention the bet size, but I don't think that's an issue really. If you have an edge, then you can succeed with a £2 bet or a £20,000 bet.You ask how much you should be in the black by now, but I don't think that's a valid question. Personally, I always assess my strike rate against the average odds I'm getting (which I accept is not always easy to do if trading).

For example, to gauge the minimum odds you require based on your current win rate would be:(loss rate / win rate) + commission rate + 1Obviously to gauge the minimum win rate required based on your average odds is the inverse.

Anyway, GL to you.

Question from ebasson61 ................................

ebasson61 09 May 00:18

Hi Horselover

You seem like a serious bettor judging by the number of bets you have placed during this entire thread, but I'm wondering what the point of all this is.If it's just a bit of fun, then fair enough.

But if you're in this to actually make some money, then how long have you estimated it will be before you start seeing any profit? It's been three months now and I think during that entire time you've only been in the black for a couple of days.

I suppose the question is: How long does it take before deciding whether a system is working or not?
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my answer


good morning ebasson61

thanks for the question, because you have a point there. but first I have to correct you, I started here 2 month ago. and yes I want to make money here.

I am not a stats guy, but my opinion is that even if I am at the end of a year not in the black and only a low percentage in the red, I think it still doesnt tell me that the strategy is not good.

one guy said that at the end I will make money for betfair. so what? everyone is giving betfair their part :)

the difference to betfair and a casino in Las Vegas is, that betfair will not give me any complimentary.

if I will have a steady downmove, then its time to stop and rethink the startegy. imho, there is no steady downmove yet that I can see.

I think the strategy is a slow upmove one.

there is no strategy without downmoves, even if they are for a few month. sure there are the arbers, courtsiders etc.

and as I said before, even if I am at the end even, comission paid I think that is very good for me. I am sure there are many out there with big losses that would wish to be in this situation not losing a penny.

I am already retired. if I lose my bank, I have another bank to start again if I want. this is a big advantage, not to make a living out of the betting. but for sure it is nicer to succeed.

I am still very confident that I will be in the black at the end. and please understand that I could do it also with 6000 instead of 600 as an initial bet. then even a small win will be a big win moneywise. I will try to go steady up with my initial betting size, as soon I will reach a given plus.

Discipline, Patience and Balls thats what is needed :)

and if all the other people here in this thread are right at the end that I will lose the bank roll with my strategy, I will still have to eat and lost my money and not someone else money.

so lets wait and see and please have patience with me

best of luck

Friday, May 8, 2009

Today result..........................

Tennis: USD632.64 Total P&L: USD632.64

Tennis Showing 1 - 11 of 11 markets of 455 markets

Market Start time Settled date Profit/loss ($)

Tennis / Chardy v Cilic : Match Odds 08-May-09 16:45 08-May-09 20:41 -80.97

Tennis / Simon v Montanes : Match Odds 08-May-09 16:15 08-May-09 20:39 -56.36

Tennis / Safina v V Williams : Match Odds 08-May-09 17:00 08-May-09 20:22 -600.00

Tennis / Seppi v Daniel : Match Odds 08-May-09 16:15 08-May-09 18:59 236.16

Tennis / Hernandez v Capdeville : Match Odds 08-May-09 15:00 08-May-09 17:20 -183.72

Tennis / Cipolla v Karlovic : Match Odds 08-May-09 15:00 08-May-09 16:36 345.60

Tennis / Brands v Starace : Match Odds 08-May-09 14:15 08-May-09 16:26 94.25

Tennis / Kuznetsova v Azarenka : Match Odds 08-May-09 14:30 08-May-09 16:12 259.20

Tennis / Youzhny v Mathieu : Match Odds 08-May-09 13:00 08-May-09 15:27 51.96

Tennis / Vliegen v Kubot : Match Odds 08-May-09 13:00 08-May-09 15:04 19.32

Tennis / Groenefeld v Makarova : Match Odds 08-May-09 13:15 08-May-09 14:28 547.20



Tennis: -USD2,001.50 Total P&L: -USD2,001.50

All results of today......................

Vliegen = scratch trade 1st set TB

Mathieu = scratch trade 2nd set

Makarova = winner

Brands = scratch trade prematch

Kutznetsova = winner

Hernandez = scratch trade 3rd set

Karlovic = winner

V.Williams = loser :(

Seppi = winner

Simon = scratch trade 3rd set

Cilic = scratch trade 3rd set

Cilic

I backed

Cilic 1.51

Simon.....................

I backed

Simon 1.54

V.Williams , Seppi......................................

I backed

V.Williams 1.53

Seppi 1.41

Hernandez, Karlovic ....................................

I backed

Hernandez 1.61

Karlovic 1.60

Kutznetsova .......................

I backed

Kutznetsova 1.45

Brands v Starace................

I backed

Brands at 1.71 and greened out at 1.50 prematch

the reason is that I dont bet on Starace if he is fav. now the situation changed and Brands was fav prematch. maybe a fix, who knows. so I took a small green.

Makarova..................................

I backed

Makarova 1.95

Vliegen, Mathieu.................................

I backed

Vliegen 1.54

Mathieu 1.86

Thursday, May 7, 2009

Today result.....................

Tennis: -USD353.39 Total P&L: -USD353.39

Tennis Showing 1 - 13 of 13 markets of 444 markets

Market Start time Settled date Profit/loss ($)

Tennis / Dabul v Karlovic : Match Odds 07-May-09 21:00 07-May-09 23:00 253.44

Tennis / V Williams v A Radwanska : Match Odds 07-May-09 21:30 07-May-09 22:48 241.92

Tennis / Safina v Martinez-Sanchez : Match Odds 07-May-09 16:30 07-May-09 20:22 -0.01

Tennis / De Bakker v Hewitt : Match Odds 07-May-09 16:35 07-May-09 19:55 144.00

Tennis / Simon v Fognini : Match Odds 07-May-09 18:00 07-May-09 19:26 288.01

Tennis / Serra v Monaco : Match Odds 07-May-09 15:30 07-May-09 18:42 -413.04

Tennis / Clement v Cipolla : Match Odds 07-May-09 15:30 07-May-09 18:22 -600.00

Tennis / Azarenka v Kanepi : Match Odds 07-May-09 15:15 07-May-09 17:43 6.77

Tennis / Gicquel v Blake : Match Odds 07-May-09 15:45 07-May-09 17:21 408.95

Tennis / Benneteau v Brands : Match Odds 07-May-09 14:00 07-May-09 16:26 3.72

Tennis / Daniel v Ljubicic : Match Odds 07-May-09 14:15 07-May-09 16:07 -600.00

Tennis / Kuznetsova v Jankovic : Match Odds 07-May-09 14:00 07-May-09 15:50 512.85

Tennis / Groenefeld v Lisicki : Match Odds 07-May-09 13:00 07-May-09 13:55 -600.00

Tennis: -USD2,634.14 Total P&L: -USD2,634.14

All results of today...............1 retirement........

Lisicki = loser retired 2-6 :(

Kutznetsova = winner

Benneteau = scratch trade 2nd set

Ljubicic = loser :(

Blake = winner

Monaco = loser :(

Azarenka = scratch trade 1st set 4-4 with 8 breaks :(

Clement = loser :(

Simon = winner

Safina = scratch trade end of 2nd set

Hewitt = winner

Karlovic = winner

V.Williams = winner

V.Williams ..................................

I backed

V.Williams 1.42

Karlovic.....................

I backed

Karlovic 1.44

Hewitt..................................

I backed

Hewitt 1.25

Safina...................................

I backed

Safina 1.24

Simon.........................................................

I backed

Simon 1.50

Azarenka, Clement..................................

I backed

Azarenka 1.24

Clement 1.88

Blake, Monaco...........................

I backed

Blake 1.71

Monaco 1.30

Ljubicic........................

I backed

Ljubicic 1.29

Benneteau..............................

I backed

Benneteau 1.56

Problem with Gruss today...................

I have a problem with gruss software, thats the reason I can't take to many matches :(

Kutznetsova............................

I backed

Kutznetsova 1.89

Seppi no fill.......................................

no bet on Seppi, didn't get the fill :( Seppi right now 2-0

Seppi, Lisicki ...............................

I backed

Seppi 1.37

Lisicki 1.29

Wednesday, May 6, 2009

Today result..........................................

Tennis: USD58.78 Total P&L: USD58.78

Tennis Showing 1 - 8 of 8 markets of 431 markets

Market Start time Settled date Profit/loss ($)

Tennis / Fish v Navarro : Match Odds 06-May-09 15:30 06-May-09 18:34 240.47

Tennis / Makarova v Czink : Match Odds 06-May-09 15:15 06-May-09 18:17 -28.40

Tennis / Granollers v Troicki : Match Odds 06-May-09 15:30 06-May-09 17:49 236.16

Tennis / A Radwanska v Ivanovic : Match Odds 06-May-09 15:15 06-May-09 17:37 -12.41

Tennis / Kuznetsova v Pennetta : Match Odds 06-May-09 15:15 06-May-09 17:14 -8.51

Tennis / Kohlschreiber v Cilic : Match Odds 06-May-09 15:20 06-May-09 16:55 -768.02

Tennis / Govortsova v Wickmayer : Match Odds 06-May-09 14:00 06-May-09 15:58 -3.71

Tennis / Azarenka v Wozniacki : Match Odds 06-May-09 14:00 06-May-09 15:38 403.20



Tennis: -USD2,280.75 Total P&L: -USD2,280.75

All results of today..........................

Azarenka = winner

Wickmayer = scratch trade end of 2nd set

Andreev = no bet because Andreev retired in 1st set

Kutznetsova = scratch trade 3rd set

Makarova = scratch trade 3rd set

Kohlschreiber = loser :(

Troicki = winner

Ivanovic = scratch trade 3rd set

Fish = winner greened out at 1.03

Fish.........................

I backed

Fish 1.46

Troicki, Ivanovic.............................

I backed

Troicki 1.41

Ivanovic 1.42

Makarova ,Kohlschreiber..........................................

I backed

Makarova 1.61

Kohlschreiber 1.72

Kutznetsova........................................

I backed

Kutznetsova 1.39

Azarenka , Wickmayer, Andreev.......................

I backed

Azarenka 1.70

Wickmayer 1.61

Andreev 1.27

Yesterday result.............................

Tennis: -USD328.29 Total P&L: -USD328.29

Tennis Showing 1 - 19 of 19 markets of 423 markets

Market Start time Settled date Profit/loss ($)

Tennis / A Radwanska v Rezai : Match Odds 05-May-09 16:45 06-May-09 00:28 -13.85

Tennis / Schiavone v Ivanovic : Match Odds 05-May-09 16:30 06-May-09 00:05 278.27

Tennis / Suarez Navarro v Petrova : Match Odds 05-May-09 15:15 05-May-09 23:31 -39.59

Tennis / Kuznetsova v Hantuchova : Match Odds 05-May-09 17:45 05-May-09 23:24 149.76

Tennis / Bartoli v Martinez Sanchez : Match Odds 05-May-09 15:15 05-May-09 22:44 -31.58

Tennis / Shvedova v Pennetta : Match Odds 05-May-09 15:15 05-May-09 22:20 144.00

Tennis / Monaco v Cuevas : Match Odds 05-May-09 16:45 05-May-09 22:19 144.00

Tennis / Vesnina v Zheng : Match Odds 05-May-09 14:00 05-May-09 21:00 368.60

Tennis / Querrey v Troicki : Match Odds 05-May-09 14:30 05-May-09 18:36 -8.05

Tennis / Navarro v Martin : Match Odds 05-May-09 15:30 05-May-09 18:34 -600.00

Tennis / Daniel v Canas : Match Odds 05-May-09 12:00 05-May-09 17:13 -36.86

Tennis / Peya v Benneteau : Match Odds 05-May-09 14:15 05-May-09 17:09 0.10

Tennis / Fernandez Brugues v Czink : Match Odds 05-May-09 14:15 05-May-09 16:43 230.88

Tennis / Serra v Junqueira : Match Odds 05-May-09 14:00 05-May-09 16:38 52.80

Tennis / Kranjinovic v Granollers : Match Odds 05-May-09 13:15 05-May-09 16:25 0.79

Tennis / Cornet v K Bondarenko : Match Odds 05-May-09 14:00 05-May-09 15:41 -918.00

Tennis / Makarova v Cetkovska : Match Odds 05-May-09 13:00 05-May-09 14:42 403.20

Tennis / Wickmayer v Kvitova : Match Odds 05-May-09 13:00 05-May-09 14:32 -822.00

Tennis / Bovina v Kudryavtseva : Match Odds 05-May-09 13:00 05-May-09 14:30 369.24


Tennis: -USD2,339.53 Total P&L: -USD2,339.53

Tuesday, May 5, 2009

all the results for today...........................

Canas = scratch trade 3rd set

Bovina = winner

Makarova = winner

Kvitova = loser :(

Cornet = loser :(

Zheng = winner

Serra = scratch trade 3rd set

Czink = winner

Troicki = scratch trade 3rd set

Martin = loser :(

Pennetta = winner

Bartoli = scratch trade 2nd set

Monaco = winner

S.Navarro = scratch trade 3rd set

Kutznetsova = winner

A.Radwanska = scratch trade 3rd set

Ivanovic = winner

Ivanovic.........................

I backed

Ivanovic 1.47

A.Radwanska ...............................

I backed

A.Radwanska 1.27

Kutznetsova........................

I backed

Kutznetsova 1.26

S.Navarro.........................

I backed

S.Navarro 1.84

Monaco, Bartoli .........................

I backed

Monaco 1.25

Bartoli 1.44

Pennetta ................

I backed

Pennetta 1.25

Martin...................

I backed

Martin 1.55

Troicki.....................

I backed

Troicki 1.47

Benneteau result.......................

Benneteau = scratch trade because the partly fill :(

Czink , Benneteau.......................

I backed

Czink 1.40

Benneteau 1.49 filled only with 1.42 :(

Cornet, Zheng, Serra..............................

I backed

Cornet 1.47

Zheng 1.73

Serra 1.31

Canas, Bovina, Makarova, Kvitova...........................

I backed

Canas 1.67

Bovina 1.70

Makarova 1.70

Kvitova 1.77

Granollers rollover from yesterday...................

rollover from yesterday

I backed

Granollers 1.37

and scratched the trade out because heavy rain. looks really bad for today, no play imho

Monday, May 4, 2009

Today result..........................

Tennis: USD738.72 Total P&L: USD738.72

Tennis Showing 1 - 14 of 14 markets of 404 markets

Market Start time Settled date Profit/loss ($)

Tennis / Knapp v Dulko : Match Odds 04-May-09 19:15 04-May-09 20:50 161.28

Tennis / Fish v Gabashvili : Match Odds 04-May-09 15:30 04-May-09 20:00 385.67

Tennis / Chakvetadze v Medina Garrigues : Match Odds 04-May-09 18:00 04-May-09 19:17 -600.00

Tennis / Dechy v Zheng : Match Odds 04-May-09 15:15 04-May-09 18:50 148.91

Tennis / A Radwanska v A Bondarenko : Match Odds 04-May-09 16:30 04-May-09 18:45 144.00

Tennis / Vesnina v Craybas : Match Odds 04-May-09 15:15 04-May-09 18:27 -26.67

Tennis / Andujar v Gicquel : Match Odds 04-May-09 14:15 04-May-09 17:47 14.40

Tennis / Kiefer v Gulbis : Match Odds 04-May-09 15:30 04-May-09 17:32 -600.00

Tennis / Youzhny v Minar : Match Odds 04-May-09 14:15 04-May-09 17:04 322.57

Tennis / Razzano v Rybarikova : Match Odds 04-May-09 14:00 04-May-09 16:44 257.24

Tennis / Cornet v Sugiyama : Match Odds 04-May-09 14:00 04-May-09 15:58 288.00

Tennis / Szavay v Wozniacki : Match Odds 04-May-09 14:00 04-May-09 15:33 195.84

Tennis / Crivoi v Veic : Match Odds 04-May-09 13:00 04-May-09 15:15 40.63

Tennis / Cipolla v Pashanski : Match Odds 04-May-09 13:00 04-May-09 15:12 6.85


Tennis: -USD2,011.24 Total P&L: -USD2,011.24

M.Garrigues, A.Radwanska, Fish, Dulko results...........

M.Garrigues = loser :(

A.Radwanska = winner

Fish = winner

Dulko = winner

Dulko.................

I backed

Dulko 1.28

Granollers back and scratch..............................

I backed

Granollers 1.37

and scratched the trade out because heavy rain. looks really bad for today, no play imho

Fish............................

I backed

Fish 1.70

Vesnina, Gulbis results.......................

Vesnina = scratch trade 3rd set

Gulbis = loser :(

A.Radwanska , M.Garrigues ...............................

I backed

A.Radwanska 1.25

M.Garrigues 1.31

Zheng result.....................

Zheng = scratch trade

1st set because the partly fill

Zheng only partly fill ..................................

Zheng only partly fill at 1.29 for 143.75 :(

Cornet, Razzano, Wozniacki , Youzhny results.........

Cornet = winner

Razzano = winner

Wozniacki = winner

Youzhny = winner

Zheng...................

I backed

Zheng 1.29

Gicquel result..................................

Gicquel = scratch trade

1st set TB

Vesnina ................................

I backed

Vesnina 1.29

Gulbis ..................................

I backed

Gulbis 1.90

Youzhny............................

I backed

Youzhny 1.56

Cipolla result.......................

Cipolla = scratch trade

2nd set

Gicquel .....................................

I backed

Gicquel 1.64

Crivoi result...................

Crivoi = scratch trade

2nd set

Cornet, Razzano , Wozniacki ...................

I backed

Cornet 1.50

Razzano 1.46

Wozniacki 1.34

Crivoi.......................

I backed

Crivoi 1.40

Cipolla............................

I backed


Cipolla 1.75

Sunday, May 3, 2009

Today result..........................

Tennis: -USD1,687.34 Total P&L: -USD1,687.34

Tennis Showing 1 - 8 of 8 markets of 390 markets

Market Start time Settled date Profit/loss ($)

Tennis / Mauresmo v Martinez Sanchez : Match Odds 03-May-09 17:15 03-May-09 22:15 -600.00

Tennis / Bartoli v Peng : Match Odds 03-May-09 17:00 03-May-09 19:17 236.16

Tennis / Safina v Kuznetsova : Match Odds 03-May-09 16:45 03-May-09 18:19 9.91

Tennis / Shvedova v Stosur : Match Odds 03-May-09 15:30 03-May-09 18:00 -882.00

Tennis / Dushevina v Hantuchova : Match Odds 03-May-09 14:15 03-May-09 17:54 3.22

Tennis / Safarova v Koryttseva : Match Odds 03-May-09 14:15 03-May-09 17:25 1.52

Tennis / Bammer v Li : Match Odds 03-May-09 13:00 03-May-09 17:00 -600.00

Tennis / Keothavong v Suarez Navarro : Match Odds 03-May-09 13:00 03-May-09 16:20 143.85


Tennis: -USD2,749.96 Total P&L: -USD2,749.96

Mauresmo result.................

Mauresmo = loser :(

Mauresmo.............................

I backed

Mauresmo 1.40

Stosur, Safina results.............................

Stosur = loser :(


Safina = scratch trade 2nd set

Bartoli..............................

I backed

Bartoli 1.41

Hantuchova, Na Li results...............

Hantuchova = scratch trade because of partly fill

Na Li = loser :(

S.Navarro result...................

S.Navarro = winner

Stosur, Safina...................................

I backed

Stosur 1.69

Safina 1.74

Hantuchova partly fill...............................

Hantuchova only partly fill 11.40 :(

Safarova result........................................

Safarova = scratch trade

1st set TB

Hantuchova , Safarova..........................

I backed

Hantuchova 1.54

Safarova 1.55

S.Navarro, Na Li .......................

I backed

S.Navarro 1.25

Na Li 1.34

Saturday, May 2, 2009

Yesterday result.............................

Tennis: -USD1,012.91 Total P&L: -USD1,012.91

Tennis Showing 1 - 5 of 5 markets of 382 markets Market Start time Settled date Profit/loss ($)

Tennis / Safina v Pennetta : Match Odds 02-May-09 19:30 02-May-09 21:39 172.62

Tennis / Medina Garrigues v Makarova : Match Odds 02-May-09 17:30 02-May-09 18:50 299.21

Tennis / Djokovic v Federer : Match Odds 02-May-09 14:30 02-May-09 18:01 23.73

Tennis / Kuznetsova v Dementieva : Match Odds 02-May-09 15:00 02-May-09 16:20 -888.00

Tennis / Vaidisova v Shvedova : Match Odds 02-May-09 14:15 02-May-09 15:51 -620.47


Tennis: -USD1,062.62 Total P&L: -USD1,062.62

Safina result.........................

Safina = winner

the break and price in 3rd set kept me in the match :)

Safina .........................

I backed

Safina 1.30

M.Garrigues result...............................

M.Garrigues = winner

M.Garrigues...............................

I backed

M.Garrigues 1.52

Djokovic result..............

Djokovic = scratch trade

2nd set

Dementieva, Vaidisova results..............

Dementieva = loser :(

Vaidisova = loser :(

Vaidisova , Djokovic , Dementieva......................

I backed

Vaidisova 1.58

Djokovic 1.74

Dementieva 1.77

Yesterday result..........................

Tennis: -USD888.60 Total P&L: -USD888.60

Tennis Showing 1 - 4 of 4 markets of 377 markets Market Start time Settled date Profit/loss ($)

Tennis / Jankovic v Pennetta : Match Odds 01-May-09 19:15 01-May-09 21:24 -600.00

Tennis / Kuznetsova v Dulko : Match Odds 01-May-09 16:15 01-May-09 18:57 316.46

Tennis / Medina Garrigues v Czink : Match Odds 01-May-09 17:15 01-May-09 18:06 258.94

Tennis / Makarova v Kleybanova : Match Odds 01-May-09 16:00 01-May-09 17:14 -864.00


Tennis: -USD49.71 Total P&L: -USD49.71

Jankovic result................

Jankovic = loser :(

could have scratched it (aftertiming)

Friday, May 1, 2009

Kutznetsova result.....................

Kutznetsova = winner

M.Garrigues result................

M.Garrigues = winner

6-0 and then Czink retired

Kleybanova result..................

Kleybanova = loser :(

M.Garrigues........................

I backed

M.Garrigues 1.45

Kutznetsova............................

I backed

Kutznetsova 1.55

Kleybanova.....................

I backed

Kleybanova 1.59

This was my posting in the Bf forum................

now that I am about 800 up, lets summarize.

373 initial 600$ trades

turnaround about 250000$

comission paid = about 1800$

7 weeks everyday

my selections are the favs and I try to take as many as I can handle.for example today I had 12 bets, and missed Federer match because I was buisy with trying to scratch 2 matches the same time. I had him on my list, and missed it. just for info.

tomorrow morning I will be out and I don't know when I will be back. it could be I will pause tomorrow. but lets see when I will be back.

now I am asking all the readers please post your opinion on the numbers that I mentioned above. maybe some stats guys? every comment is very much appreciated.

and lets be honest, who thought that I will not lose my bank? I think that everybody was very sceptic and didn't think that I will survive my bankroll. even the guys who supported me with well-meant postings.

I really know that everything can happen, and the next down move is around the corner, but I don't know when and how big it will be, but also the up move could hold many days. remember I bet on the favs and they tend to win a la longue. therefore I repeat myself, that the scratch trades are my winners.

thanks to all the readers and non posters and to the posting guys. it is always a help, even the critics are helpful.

discipline, patience and balls is needed for every strategy.

cheers